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To Pseudonym or Not to Pseudonym

A pseudonym is a name that a person or group assumes for a particular purpose, which differs from his or her original or true name (orthonym).

Okay...I'm sure you all knew what that meant but felt the need to provide the definition.

The definition in and of itself, a name a person "assumes for a particular purpose", leads me to think of a couple of things.  A person wants privacy which is understandable.  But the second thought, and I tend to think more strongly towards this in the context of this blog, is that people don't want to stand on their legs, take ownership and voice their opinions as exactly who the person is that they are.  Why would one care what other people thought if they felt strongly about something and had an opinion on it?  Isn't that the purpose of why we participate and doesn't it make you feel good that you are actually entitled to have a voice?

There seems to be a constant debate on almost every thread whether or not people should be allowed to use pseudonyms.  I never have; it never occurred to me that I needed to until after a few comments that I made were not taken well.  I can assure you, I have been called every name under the sun!  I have always been me and said exactly what I thought and never would hide under a blanket.

At first, I didn't care about the pseudonyms that other people chose to use but, after having been on the Patch for as long as I have and seeing what goes on...I would be willing to bet you a million dollars that if people were not allowed to use them on this platform, the negativity and ridiculous name calling would be taken down ten notches at the very least.

It seems (that with the exception of a few who actually do use their real names) the majority of that nonsense comes from the people hiding behind fake names and that each and every article goes WAAAAY off topic.

Own your points, people...with your REAL NAME!  It seems to be cowardice when you do so otherwise and you are not taken nearly as seriously.  It doesn't mean the world will agree with you but I would bet a thread with 80 comments would be cut down to 40 which would include people who actually have a point pertaining to the article and not a desire to insult people.

Curious as to other people's thoughts on this.

FourScore

3:45 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Why post anonymously?

First, I participate on a number of different forums, and most prefer you use a pseudonym. Why? Because a forum owner has no way to definitively verify that a poster is who they say they are. For example, if I had a vendetta against you and wanted to make you look bad, I can simply register under your name in order to defame you. Of course, this could leave the forum owner up to potential liability if you decided to sue for defamation of character.

Second, you may not care what people say about you, but what about your children? I have seen posters on this forum sling gossip about other poster’s kids if they don’t like what they say. Suppose that gossip made the rounds at school. Do you really want to put your kids through that?

Third, and most importantly, there are just too many whackos in the world. Do you know how easy it is to get info on people on the internet these days…. to get someone’s address, phone #, spouse name, kids names, place of employment, kids’ school, etc??? Would something you said on a public forum incite someone’s rage enough to do something about it? Hopefully not.

Lastly, wouldn’t you agree that the member of this forum who most frequently engaged in name calling was someone who posted under his full name?

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mrwilson

3:57 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Excellent answer to a naive column topic.

And I didn't have to post as "Stacie'sBohr'sExHusband" to make the point.

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Stacie Bohr

12:26 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Of course I care about my children. And no, the most who most frequently engage in name calling do not use their real name. There are most definitely the "regulars" who regurgitate the same old stuff. But no....it's people under monikers. It's easy to hide behind them. And then everyone is accusing the "moniker" person of who they think they really are. It's ridiculous.

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jingle jones

10:40 am on Thursday, March 28, 2013

I've got to agree with Minuteman Two

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Joann

9:58 am on Monday, April 1, 2013

I agree with #3......there are crazy people out there!!

Lt.Dan

6:44 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

If you read the national trade rags, the problem the Patch has is that they started with a business model to have local reporters/editors, and the direction of their market (millions of non-monetized eyeballs) has taken those editors to instead be message board moderators, not what they were hired for, not what they want to be, and something better suited to trustee volunteers.

The only way to address your concerns about the tone of debate is to lock out those IPs who want to make it personal -- not MAKE IT about personalities. That is counter-productive. You wind up just discussing the discussion, as with this discussion.

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BillBalls

9:40 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

Lt. Dan,

If I assume you are a police officer, I find it totally hypocritical of you to even think about banning I.Ps, when you took an oath to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States of American against all enemies, foreign or domestic!

PS. I can bust an IP ban in 15 seconds, just so you know…….

Blah blah blah

8:46 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Try this for a reason- plenty of people I'm sure ( I speak only for myself) don't want to be dragged into mostly pointless arguments. I have a legitimate reputation in the community as a well known business man and don't give enough of a crap to tarnish it along with the minority of prolific blowhards (hinty hint hint hint) who post their mostly mindless opinions on the patch. The empty can rattles the loudest.

HistorianWT

10:24 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

The problem with the Long Valley Patch is that the well was tainted by one person who has done this repeatedly in town online boards to the point of being convicted of it.The Patch let Nedd post here despit his personal attacks, profanity and general disruption, now they finally lock him out, and ghe ios back as "una mattina" posting again. not even denying it.

People will not post under their own names in a cesspool where they are personally attacked by foul-mouthed sociopaths.

Other Patches, I've noticed, are actually coming around.

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Una mattina

10:43 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Why are you attacking me? I am merely asking questions our elected officials refuse to answer. Why is this year's municipal tax increase ($35) larger than the District K-8 school tax increase ($26)? Isn't the school budget 3 times bigger?

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esquire908

12:33 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Off topic, the earmark of Kevin Nedd.

Stacie Bohr

12:14 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

"Excellent answer to a naive column topic.
And I didn't have to post as "Stacie'sBohr'sExHusband" to make the point.". Ummm...okay....whatever that means, mrwilson.

I don't think my topic is naïve at all. I think it is honest. Which is what I am. Comments such as yours are exactly the point of my blog. Insulting someone behind a moniker to "protect" themselves. To each his own. But thank you for your comment.

I would never want my children dragged into anything, FourScore and I highly doubt that I am a threat to our community. Quite the contrary...my children admire me for my honesty and that is all that they know. If someone challenges them for what their mom stands by, I guarantee they would stand behind me as they have the same values.

And blah, blah, blah...I have a " legitimate reputation in the community" but as a parent and not necessarily as a well known business man. I appreciate where you are coming from for sure and self-preservation is understandable. Whether it is as a parent or a business person. I'm not thinking with dollar signs. But again, I get where you're coming from (sort of).

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FourScore

6:56 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

I didn't say anything about you being a threat to the community Stacie... in fact, since you're an attractive woman who posts with her picture, the concern is quite the contrary. Cyberspace is a dark and dangerous place, and remember that when you post on a public form, your thoughts and opinions, and everything about yourself is open to everyone in the world who has access to the internet. If you happen to mention that you work at Company A, or work out at a specific gym, or your kid goes to a certain school, everyone lurking on the internet knows this.... and it is the lurkers, not the regular posters who are really the threat.

One more reason to post anonymously .... if you apply for a job, your prospective employee will most likely search the internet for posts like this on public forums, and if they don't like your views, they won't hire you. If this fair? No, but it is the reality.

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Reality Chuck

10:14 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Your response to those that have provided comments to your article is exactly why a person would choose to use psuedonym.

rusty corvair

5:51 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

I like the posting the way it is. If you don;t like what someone posts either ignore them or grow a pair.
Rustycorvair or am I StacieBohr'sNextExHusband? :)

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12345678

8:36 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

I agree.

Nedd is a very good reason not to use your real name online. I've seen him post dirt about another poster's minor child and the comment was not removed until the following day even though I emailed the editor here immediately upon reading it. No way I would put my kids at risk like that. I tell my own children to only "friend" people they actually know and to keep their Facebooks as private as possible to strangers. I would be a hypocrite if I didn't follow my own advice. There are whackos out there period.

Janen L. Ardia Broker RE/MAX Heritage Properties

7:11 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

For those of us who are licensed real estate associates/ Brokers, we must, by law, use our full name when blogging. Advertising guidelines with the real estate commission.
Great topic, though, and food for thought!

Stacie Bohr

7:46 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

The point/topic that I am really trying to get to with this blog is that a lot of people, as very perfectly demonstrated above, use pseudonyms so that they can down right insult people while hiding behind a mask.

I am most certainly not arrogant enough to believe that I will agree with everyone or that everyone will agree with me. As a matter of fact, there have been plenty of times where I have had a position and after reading intelligent comments with regard to a topic, my opinion shifts due to intelligent enlightenment.

And to mrwilson and rusty corvair...I take no insult to what you two are saying regarding "StacieBohr'sExHusband, Next ExHusband". If you choose to use a moniker, that is your prerogative but you are cowards who would never dare say that to my face. So thank you for proving my point.

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12345678

8:40 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Do you believe internet posts are being made to your face? I would be much more open face to face than here on a public forum. I think you are being unrealistic to think that your written words here cannot possibly hurt your loved ones at some point.

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esquire908

12:30 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

"""""but you are cowards who would never dare say that to my face."""""

Blog: '''''I would be willing to bet you a million dollars that if people were not allowed to use them on this platform, the negativity and ridiculous name calling would be taken down ten notches at the very least."""""

There is a quick cool million.

So, you have been called every name under the sun, and it doesn't bother you, Stacie. Good for you. It would bother most people in their community, and it would bother me if someone in my family was loopy enough to 1: care about how some local chat board was run, and 2: screech at anonymous people about being 'cowards'. The Patch is owned by multi-national conglomerate AOL, your ignorant newbie opinion isn't going to change their legal policies, meant to avoid lawsuits, one bit. They have been in the business for decades and they know that lawsuits don't result from a pseudonym libelling a pseudonym.

So, to each his own.

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Una mattina

12:55 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

What about pseudonyms who libel named individuals? What's are the legal ramifications?

roger freiday

8:10 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

I use my name and I am not afraid some weenie who does not like my expressions is going to do ?? whatever. All these big mouths with little minds that hide in their secret identities, to me they have no credibility. Stand up for your beliefs, like adults. I think Patch could do more to verify I.D.'s if they really care to, for those who do present their full names, to combat mis-use.

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Judi

10:34 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

and yet roger freiday you resort to calling names. An adult does not do that.

Judi Menzel

Stacie Bohr

10:00 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

1234...I am completely realistic. That is why I say what I mean and I mean what I say. My intent never has been and never will be to hurt anyone. It's called an opinion. And one of the greatest gifts I could give to my children is letting them know that they have a voice to use so long as they do it in an appropriate manner. How is that remotely hurtful? Sit down and shut up is unrealistic. Say something but hide while you're doing it is unrealistic. Be who you are and own it...now that's realistic.

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12345678

10:33 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Stacie, the reality is that your opinion may offend someone who comes in contact with one of your family members and they may be made to suffer for it, ie, a teacher or administrator who comes in contact with your children. Poster's on here have also mentioned children and other family members of other posters on here they disagree with. That's the reality. I'd rather not worry about repercussions due to my opinions. I don't believe that makes me a coward.

I advise my own children not to give out personal information to strangers, why on earth would I do it here?

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FourScore

10:37 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Stacie, I really think you're missing the point. The issue is not how your words can be hurtful to others. The issue is how your words can be hurtful to yourself and your family at the hands of the wrong person. As 12345678 has pointed out, there is a frequent poster here who was hauled into court for threatening another poster, who slung hurtful gossip about that same poster's son, and who has engaged in so much name calling and personal attacks, that he was banned on this site. Since he posted under his real name, it is obvious that requiring posters to use their real name will not guarantee anything

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12345678

10:54 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

By the way, "sit down and shut up", along with much worse, was posted by a user using his real name.... that's the reality too.

Stacie Bohr

11:43 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

I appreciate your comments and your take, 123, and Four. That is precisely why I do not post hurtful things. I post an opinion and if others don't like it, I really don't care. I am extremely cautious in my words so I need not worry. I know exactly who you are talking about with regard to the stupid law suits. There is nothing that I would write that would lead to that and there is nothing that I would write that I am ashamed of. I guarantee that people would not write half of the garbage that they do if they used their real name and the topics would actually stay on topic rather than turn into a slew of disgusting insults. It's not a matter of "putting yourself out there"...it is a matter, under moniker, of saying things that you would never say if you had the guts to use your real name and then, potentially, setting yourself up for the wrath of others. That's just my opinion and you don't have to agree with it. And in the Facebook, Twitter and Instagram world....my little comments on something such as this is the least of my concerns and for that of my children.

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12345678

12:57 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Stacie, using your real name hasn't stopped you from insulting those who disagree with you...

Just my opinion, but it doesn't take "guts" to use your real name when you have school aged children. It takes a very inconsiderate attitude about those you claim to love and a lack of common sense. I would be more than happy to say that to your face if we ever actually meet in person.
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esquire908

11:51 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

To each Patch poster -- why do you participate?

-- to learn from people who know more about the town and community?
-- to exchange opinions on local and national issues?
-- to share insight you may have from community involvement?
-- to build or rebuild a political career?
-- to promote your business?
-- to become locally famous and make friends with your brilliant insights?

Some of these may require you use your real name. Others don't and if your reason for being here doesn't require putting your name out there, then why risk the personal attacks and grief that some here have seen from political nuts who make everything personal? While it is a "moderated" board, it isn't an agressively moderated board and isn't set up for handling flame wars. The Patch guys in charge of slapping and shooting board trolls are also charged with churning out five newspieces a day in their three town area, or whatever.

Stacie, putting your name out there is fine and sweet if you are just going to post platitudes like "everyone should be nice". But if you ever start taking stances on controversial issues, YOU may enjoy your new found notoriety, but possibly others in your life WON'T, whether they tell you so or not.

Claire

12:29 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Stacie, I attended an info session on Internet Safety several years ago at LVMS given by MC Prosecutor's Office. Their advice was to be very careful about the info you give on-line, it was surprising how quickly the officer was able to get info out of member of the audience. You have told a lot of people who you don't know (and could live anywhere in the country) a lot of private info about yourself and your family, your divorce, you have a daughter in HS, you have younger ones, Raiders, they needed tutoring, you have a family member who committed suicide, etc (and thats what I just remember off the top of my head.) You gave your last name so its easy enough for some wacko to look up your address and phone. you gave your picture. You seem like a nice person but just saying, be careful.

Lt.Dan

1:01 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Stacie Bohr """"""but you are cowards who would never dare say that to my face."""""

On many professional internet boards this would be considered an immediate violation of Terms of Service and result in your lockout. And if you tried to sneak back result in legal action. Calling people cowards, with the remedy for their pride being a future physical confrontation, is exactly what online communities fear. You have just proven that, rather than "real names" being the antidote for that, they can -- as it just did -- be the catalyst.

Taunting customers for the way they use the service, or "guessing" their names "aka", is simply bad bsuienss and drives people away from boards.

Posting under your real name is not noble and does not show integrity in most cases. It is always ignorant of the internet, often dangerous and the act of a lonely ditz, not some upstanding citizen.

Lt.Dan

1:34 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Summation: Fools rush in.

Stacie Bohr

2:33 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Well...you have all most certainly given me food for thought and I thank you for that. And wow, Claire...you have one heck of a memory!

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FourScore

3:12 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

...or Claire could be a middle-aged, male stalker who has obsessively collected every little detail of your life for his "I'm Madly in Love with Stacie Bohr" file.

Just saying that anything is possible on the internet.

esquire908

2:48 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Stacie, I'm glad to see you are treating this as something to learn from. Google "Stacie Bohr Long Valley." The first page returned are Patch posts, plus your 876 phone number and a comcast email address.

Be safe. The better advice on the Patch should be NO ONE should be able to claim they are an actual local person. If the local stalker decided to join as some slight variation on your Patch screen name and post 50 messages being a Holocaust denier ar a white power racist, THAT is what people would see when they google your name and hometown.
Understand -- people in Long Valley know all this because of ONE person who has been repeatedly dragged into court for this stuff.

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Stacie Bohr

7:41 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Thank you, esquire. And to be honest...an initial poster to my blog said that my blog was naïve. He/she was actually correct. I will most certainly be more careful and not assume that the world lives with the same ideals that I do. Thank you, again!

Bubo

6:40 pm on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

When you post under a pseudonymn people do not bring to your arguments any personal bag and baggage. And I believe going back to the Federalist Papers, where the name Publius was used, it is a venerable American tradition. So free speech means free speech you are willing to have attributed to you and free speech intended to foster discussion, not a battle of personalities. My problem with Patch is it has become way to personal, but that's the price of freedom.

BenDover1

11:29 am on Thursday, March 21, 2013

I agree. Everyone should use their own names.

Joseph Keyes

1:43 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013

Stacie, I have to agree with you. I’ve used aliases in the past when posting to the Daily Record to protect against wackos. Back then, the DR allowed anyone to post and drew a large audience. There were some very nasty posts from time to time, but the paper’s moderators kept on top of it. Since registering with the Patch, I’ve used only my real identity. I take posts from people with real names more seriously than from anonymous people. If you have something to say, then say it. Something about being cloaked behind an alias seems to encourage middle-school level turrets in some people.

Liberty

5:19 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013

Arrogant, self-serving ridiculous blog. It's free speech, get off your high horse.

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Stacie Bohr

7:05 am on Friday, March 22, 2013

Not meant to be. It was a thought that a lot of people seem to address in almost every thread. I have nothing to benefit therefore in no way self-serving or arrogant. But thank you for your feedback.

Liberty

9:26 am on Friday, March 22, 2013

Beg to differ: you arrogantly began by defining pseudonym; you also inferred that your "ideals" are loftier than others'. Trying to impress those same ideals on the thread is ultimately self-serving. For someone who doesn't like name-calling, you were pretty quick with calling the anons cowards. (BTW, it's spelled cowardice.) The pseudonym debate is belabored ad nauseum on every thread---drop it! We are going to use whatever names we choose, which does not make our comments any less relevant than "real-namers." And how do you know those are real names? Because they say so, or they look like real names? There's probably a lot more people who contribute intelligently to the Patch who wouldn't under their own name--a good thing. Just like people who are not good at public speaking but have something to say. And the best reasons are privacy and safety, as stated by several people above. I don't know or trust strangers, why would I make my personal information readily available? Ever hear of cyber-stalkers?! I do own my points and when I comment that IS my voice--the name should make no difference.

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Stacie Bohr

10:13 am on Friday, March 22, 2013

Again, it wasn't meant that way. I most certainly do not feel my ideals are loftier than others. I absolutely did call the two people cowards who chose to insult me under a moniker. I am sorry if that is how I came across and/or am coming across. Not my intent at all. Everyone deserves a voice. If you really knew me, I am the furthest from one who believes they are better than anyone else. I asked people's opinions on the topic and they shared them. It also humbled me in the process so for that I am grateful. I apologize if my topic or comments have offended you anyone else in the process, Liberty.

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12345678

8:42 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

I have to agree with Liberty here.
I guess stacie thinks it's okay to insult people as long as she's using her real name....

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Natalie Davis

7:00 pm on Sunday, March 24, 2013

Actually, those who read get to decide which posters they consider relevant. Many are fine with the pseudonymous; others immediately distrust them. It's the beholder's choice, and if those who use aliases automatically are considered suspect, that's their problem.

Sue

4:18 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Why don't you leave Stacie alone...she's admitting she sees others points of views on the subject and the fact is, it's true that people using monikers do insult others on here more. I completely understand why people use pseudonyms for all the reasons listed above but Stacie makes a valid point that people are more likely to name call and sometimes be down right cruel when they are under these pseudonyms. Not always of course, but defiantely more likely. So use one or don't use one, but the name calling and insults on here are out of control.

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FourScore

6:14 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Sue, the whole reason that people pointed out that Stacie called other posters "cowards" was not to pick on her, but to show the fallacy of her assertion (and yours) that it is only those using monikers who insult others.

Note also that Roger Freiday (which I assume is his real name) made the following statement in this thread; "All these big mouths with little minds that hide in their secret identities, to me they have no credibility".

So it seems quite clear that insulting other posters on this forum is equally employed by both those using their real names and those using monikers.

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Sue

6:39 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

I understand them pointing that out to her, and she admitted that she could see their points. It's just that people were going on and on about it and wouldn't let it go. Like Mrwilson said, it's darn rare for a person to listen and see another person's view. She handled this like a mature adult. Let it go.

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FourScore

7:33 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Excuse me Sue, but you are not only the one who resurrected this thread, but you also stated your opinion agreeing with Stacie that it is mostly those who post anonymously who insult others. So you're allowed to offer your point of view, but everyone else should just let it go??? If you thought that this thread should be put to bed, then why did you post in the first place???

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Sue

9:19 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Fourscore, I just said that people had the right to respond, but I felt she was being picked on. You have every right to your opinion, and I wasn't saying you didn't. I said people who use pseudonyms are more likely to insult, not that people who use their regular names don't also.

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Sue

9:27 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

And I didn't "resurrect" it...the last comment was last night.

mrwilson

5:24 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

i respect the fact that Stacie has listened and perhaps even changed her mind on the topic. Darn rare.

The reality is, ad hominem "to the man" personal attacks are impossible on a board where pseudonums are mandated.

And if a forum insists on "real" ids, you don't have the problem of "pseudonymed" people taking shots at "real" people that they wouldn't get away with in an even playing field.

The problem is when they allow mixed groups, pseudonymed and real. IMO, the Patch is irresponsible for letting posters "claim" real local names. They have no way of checking whether it is true or not, and any spirited debate inevitably boils down to people either attacking a "real" person in an ad hominem fashion, or a "real" person falsely guessing/accusing a pseudoynmed person of being real person X or Y.

Imagine if opinions stated could only be discussed on their merit rather than adopting the cloak of "authority" through a claimed political or official role?

Also, let's dispel with the "halo" of courageous people posting under their "real" names. Some are doing it with no agenda, or a straightforward one like promoting their local business. But too many others are doing it with dangerous naivete of the consequences of opinions on their internet, are politicians or aspiring politicians acting with a marketing motive, or are flat out narcisissts/sociopaths seeking to fill some personal psychological void or forward a grudge.

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Natalie Davis

7:03 pm on Sunday, March 24, 2013

That's also the beholder's choice. Many do consider real names preferable and find the aliased crowd worthy of being ignored by definition. You don't give halos to those who use their real names, mrwilson, and that's fine, but that describes only you and those who agree with you—and of course it's your right to feel that way and to express it.

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Gobsmacked

7:12 pm on Sunday, March 24, 2013

I agree, mrwilson, and am nowhere near as impressed with those claiming to use their real names as they are with themselves.

Ms. Bohr might climb quickly off her high horse after one of the angry and unhinged posters right here on Morristown Patch clicks on her Facebook page and lets her know about it. It's a chilling experience.

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12345678

8:29 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

Gobsmacked, I was thinking that but didn't want to give anyone ideas...
It's the idea of exposing your whole family to some psycho that scares me.

Stacie Bohr

5:38 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Thank you Sue and mrwilson. I was being a hypocrite and again, my apologies to those who I have offended. I will be more aware of "practicing what I preach".

DXJ

6:41 pm on Sunday, March 24, 2013

There are real risks in posting online, thus justifying at least some degree of anonymity. The real issue is not anonymity, but bad behavior.

The calls to ban anonymity have more to do with wanting to discredit the poster rather go through the intellectually honest process of debating the content of the message - i.e. Mr. Wilson's point about ad hominems. It's either that or the naive belief that bad behavior can be eliminated by restricting the liberty of those who already regulate their conduct to fit within societal norms.

The proper course of action is to warn those who become abusive and ban them when they fail to heed the warning.

I commend the author of this blog/op-ed for stepping away from her previous inflammatory comments and for being honest above all else.

Kelly

8:53 pm on Sunday, March 24, 2013

Funny, I am constantly being asked why I *don't* have a pseudonym. It surprises me how many people seem uncomfortable with the fact that I have not assumed a pseudonym for the purpose of showing that I am married to my husband.

James

5:40 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

The Patch is a local forum and unfortunately old school politics reign supreme in most of the small towns in NJ. If you comment with your real name you run the risk of having building permits denied, property taxes reassessed, your street being plowed last, tickets for your sidewalk being cracked, etc,etc. The town fathers and mothers can become quite spiteful when criticized.

Michael Brancato

8:18 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

Yes, it would be great if people were required to post under their real name. Civility and intelligent discourse might actually find a place on the internet. Unfortunately, we choose to have heated, anonymous arguments based on emotion and petty grievance instead of actual facts and accountability. Once upon a time, the only way to get your voice heard was to sign your name to it. You had to be a real whackjob to say some of the things that people post here and stand behind it, and nobody paid attention to you. Now, you can say whatever you want, under a pseudonym that sounds like a real name even, and people not only listen but line up behind you to support you.

The scary thing is that the people posting here are not from Texas or Montana but our neighbors and friends and colleagues. People we see on a day to day basis, people that we drink coffee with in the morning, that deliver our mail, that we eat lunch with or drive the bus or buy our products; people that we would never say some of these things to their faces. Yet when we have an anonymous forum we suddenly become animals, biting and clawing at each other over something as petty and stupid as a football field or tax levy. These actions are not the sign of a healthy community, but a group of selfish individuals who are more concerned with their own welfare than that of their neighbor. It's shameful.

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FourScore

8:43 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

How would anyone verify that a user name, such as Michael Brancato, is actually the poster’s real name??? Your user name could be your real name, or it could be a name that you made up off the top of your head, or it could be someone else’s real name that you are posting under. Unless the forum host was willing to verify that every user name was an actual person, and that the person who registered is indeed that actual person, no one can be certain that a name is real or not.

Let’s suppose that instead of posting under ‘Fourscore’, I posted under ‘Tom Wilson’. Other posters would probably think; “that Tom is a stand-up guy who posts under his real name rather than hiding behind an anonymous moniker like a coward”…. when it reality, they’d have no idea if Tom Wilson is a real person, or if I’m actually that person.

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Liberty

9:32 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

FourScore is right. You don't know if a "real name" is a real name. You think if someone uses a pseudo, they automatically change from Dr. Jekyll to Mr. Hyde? There are plenty of real-namers who are nasty and spit venom. If you discount everything said by pseudos, you will miss out on a lot of intelligent, civil comments. It's also very prejudicial to pass them off as petty whack jobs. BTW, these posters could be from Texas or Montana, anyone can join any Patch.

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Michael Brancato

11:41 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

Actually, there's a very simple and surefire way to verify it: require a credit card to create an account. The USPS has been doing it for years: if you change your address on their website, they ask for a credit card. They charge the card something like $0.05, then refund it. It verifies not only the person's name, but also their address. And it's totally automated. Not only would this weed out people who want to anonymously bash others but it would also keep out spammers. The site itself is still totally free, you just need to verify your name and address if you want to be part of the discussion.

As for being from out of state, yes, you can read and comment on any patch. But the majority of people commenting are reading their local patch, and are therefore most likely your neighbors. As for the people who spit venom under their real names, well, like FourScore and I pointed out, they may not actually be using a real name, just one that sounds real. If there were a verification system, then we would know for sure that it's the shop owner or the teacher or the Quick Check clerk who is saying these things. We as a society could do something about it; whether it's ostracizing that person or boycotting their business or just calling them out on their rudeness. Overwhelmingly, however, it's people like you, Liberty, that are making rude and offensive comments while hiding behind pseudonyms. And don't pretend like you haven't, because I've seen you.

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1819

3:00 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

Yah, but.....the worst poster in Patch history posted under his own name. Internet history shows that crass psychopaths don't value their reputations much, or even that trading kindergarten insults is a loss in and of itself to mature adults reading, no matter who gets the last word.

And when sopmeone posting under their own names *IS* attacked, their is a personal ned to respond and defend that isn't there when pseudonyms are trading jibes. Things go nuclear faster.

The thing about the Patch is, it is many people's first foray onto internet communities. So they don't know the dangers, pitfalls, etc.

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1819

3:15 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

PS: you can go into any Post Office and change your mailing address for free and without showing a credit card. Of course you have to show ID. But anyway, hardly analagous to The Patch.

MSS

9:18 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

@Stacie, I enjoyed your column. It isn't just the Patch that is having these issues, even a popular site such as YouTube is struggling with negative anonymous comments. Because of the amount of sarcastic and mean spirited comments that are made each day on their site, they have been trying to get people to switch to using their google plus accounts to post. So this is not a naive topic, it is an actual problem. I would rather not post my identity but if you knew me in person, you would recognize my username. This helps me keep myself in check. Sometimes I want to write mean, sarcastic comments but I always ask myself would I say this in person? Sometimes I write things I regret or somethings come off very badly. So to sum up my comment, communicating online is a struggle.

NewToBaskingRidge

9:39 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

I always use a moniker, its like voting behind a curtain, I'd like my opinions to be known but don't want to be attacked by someone personally if I disagree with theirs. Are there people who hide behind monikers and attack other, sure, but those are slightly unhinged people we're really hiding our names from, not the people posting under their real name.

Greg Turcotte

9:40 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

How about just disabling all comments from all articles? Why do these articles need them anyways? I know every single online newspaper website has this with the idea of creating a "community atmosphere" but usually it just ends up being an online peanut gallery on every article. This includes my humble opinion:)

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Not Domino

10:19 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

Greg, keep in mind that these online newspapers are businesses, not charities. Their business model is that they must attract readers in order to attract advertisers and generate revenue. The comments keep the readers coming back again and again, an advertiser's dream. Without them, you would read the artice once and probably never return to it, much like a paper newspaper that gets tossed in the recycling bin right after you finish your daily two-minute routine of flipping through the pages in a futile attempt to find something useful or interesting that you didn't already know from reading it online the day before.

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Greg Turcotte

10:31 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

Honestly I have never read an article just for the purpose of looking at what others have to say and I doubt I am alone in that. If opinions from the peanut gallery is what is needed by these newspapers to survive then that speaks volumes about the quality of these "journalists" that they hire to write these articles.

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1819

3:06 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

This is the equivalent of banning steaks because babies can't chew.

stewart resmer

11:24 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

Internet Traffic asks customers to identify themselves as part of new Google initiative.

One of the topics discussed extensively in the hallways at Webfest this year was changes Google is making to its parking program.

Although I don’t have all of the details, the bottom line is that Google is making an effort to better identify who is actually parking domains using its ad feed. This may involve steps to identify people across the various parking companies that use Google.

Today Internet Traffic customers saw what appears to be the first sign of these changes.

The company sent an email to customers asking them to agree to a couple terms and provide detailed contact information.

The terms are basic and are already in all parking companies’ terms: that you won’t click on ads on any of your domains and won’t provide incentives for others to click.

I’m not sure how this will be implemented across the different parking companies, but you can expect to see some of the results of these changes in the coming months. And my understanding is that there are other parts of this initiative that you won’t see.

domainwire.com

1819

3:12 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

To reiterate above....exchanges get fiery, quicker, when people are defending their own real names. This column could not show it better -- Stacie suddenly called people cowards when they criticized her, and in her own penned column bemoaning such behavior! This could be used in an Internet classroom!

If someone call "JohnDoe123" an imbecile, he might laugh and shrug it off and go get ready for his baseball fantasy draft. If they call "John Bagadonuts", his real name" and imbecile in his home town, on a board his friends and kids and family read, Joe goes postal....to defend his "name".

Capiche?

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Stacie Bohr

3:33 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

Stacie didn't suddenly criticize people or magically decide to call them cowards. I did, as I stated above, call two people cowards and not because they did not agree with my point of view. They actually proved my point of view and referred to my "ex" marital status which has nothing to do with this column at all. They took something and, in an effort to be nasty, used it. I also sat back, rethought why people choose to use a moniker after reading the asked for comments (not asked for insults, comments), and stated same. I also apologized to anyone who I may have offended. Capiche?

Liberty

3:26 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

Not hiding, Michael, nor pretending--just exercising my First Amendment rights. I'm not the one who would ostracize or boycott my neighbors because they expressed their opinion on the Patch. I believe that was your "Big Brother" recommendation. Along with this whole silly credit card verification process. Was that too rude or offensive?

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Michael Brancato

8:56 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Big Brother? It's called common courtesy. It's called civility. Nobody's talking about taking away your First Amendment rights, all I'm saying is if you're going to say something rude, you should own it. You can say whatever you like, but if you have to look that other person in the eye tomorrow with him or her knowing full well you said it, would you still say it?

If someone you knew came up to you in a bar and called you names, berated you for stating your opinion, and generally acted the way people act around here, would you continue to talk to that person? Would you have any association with that person at all? That's what I'm talking about. Remember that there is a human being behind that screen name. If what you have to say is so offensive, so rude, so radical, or so controversial that you would not stand up and say it at a town hall meeting in front of your mother and your spouse and your kids, then you probably shouldn't be saying it.

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Liberty

10:35 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

So, Michael (if that is your real name), you think boycotting and ostracizing your neighbors is common courtesy? Take your own words to heart: there is a human being behind that screen name. I have never been libelous, flagged, banned or received secret emails from Patch warning me to tone it down. I don't do "radical and controversial." This "own it" crap is getting old. If I said it, it's mine, it's my voice, no matter what name it's under! And anything I've said I would say to that person's face. There's a simple solution for all of you: don't read the comments!!

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Kramit the Frog

2:03 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

"If I said it, it's mine, it's my voice"

Gimme a break, dude. Who are you, a statue in NY harbor? How are you supposed to own it if nobody knows you said it? What a joke. Liberty. You should change your name to "Clown Shoes."

"There's a simple solution for all of you: don't read the comments!!"

So, what, people are not supposed to be part of the conversation because clowns like you and me want to be rude and hide behind screen names? Get over yourself.

mrwilson

3:36 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

Stacie, I seem to recal you wrote about this last summer, so0 I looked back in your blog list. You had this exchange, which hardly points to anonymity being the culprit for a lack of civility:
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stacie bohr
3:42 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012

KMN...you are an excellent example as to why I wrote this blog. These kinds of comments are so unnecessary. People are very tired of hearing the insults and negativity. It really discredits you and your points and not the other way around. I am fairly certain that you could care less as to what I have to say but, as I said earlier in this thread, you can post what you want but on my blog...it's a shame that you have to try and tarnish the good nature of what it is really about. But the good news is...you haven't.

Kevin Nedd
4:05 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012

Stacie,

Everything you wrote above is your opinion and quite frankly I could care less what you have to say. I say this not as a means of being disrespectful, but as a matter of fact. I really dont care.

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Stacie Bohr

4:08 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

mrwilson....I agree with you. I don't know how I can say that in any more ways than I have above. I don't you expect to care about me or my blog and the good news for me is, I don't care if you do so we're on equal playing ground. But honestly, if you didn't care, why would you go back and search through a blog from months ago. I respect your opinion, have changed my thought process with regard to monikers and why people use them, and have apologized for offending anyone. So what is your point? I am still allowed to speak my mind, whether I use a fake name or not, so long as I am mindful as to what I am saying and how I am saying it. What exactly am I doing "wrong" now?

stewart resmer

4:14 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

what this entire thread shows is that there are those who will simply not use their true and correct legal names when given the opportunity to be forthright and honest about their views opinions and identities.
and as Smirconish says, you can stand in the town square and say what you will, but we can still 'see your face'.
Here at Patch they protect the privacy of 'registered users' identities , while at the same time in one example of 'Drew Wilcow', Patch knows that this is not the true and correct legal name of 'the user' at the distinct disregard and disadvantage of the privacy of the REAL person Drew Wilcow that lives in Inglewood Caifornia!

Imagine, some one is using an assumed name to comment at Patch ( a nationwide site) using a real persons name who is oblivious as to what is being said in their name because Patch allows it?

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FourScore

4:34 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

And that is the exact danger of using so-called ‘real’ names. Note what I said in my very first response to this blog almost a week ago; “most (forums) prefer you use a pseudonym. Why? Because a forum owner has no way to definitively verify that a poster is who they say they are.”

The risk is not just to the poster, but to the forum itself, since an actual person who has his reputation besmirched by someone deliberately using his name could sue the patch owner for lack of due diligence in member verification.

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stewart resmer

4:48 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

well 4score? una has somehting to add here, what say you?

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Gobsmacked

6:41 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

I'd rather have the occasional "forthright and honest" poster accuse me of hiding than open myself to stalkers and worse.

So stewart resmer and Ms. Bohr are free to congratulate themselves on their own sterling behavior while all I'll have to worry about is posting something dumb that the *real* Gobsmacked would disapprove of.

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BillBalls

7:41 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

Steward Resmer .... is that really you? Do we know that for sure anymore than you know Drew Wilcow's story? If I recall correctly you wanted Drew's posts deleted right after he made mince meat of your hundreds of anti-2nd amendment right's posts and made you look the fool in the process.

Steward's America go like this -- If you can't beat them silence them!

Shame on you Steward, shame on you!

BillBalls

7:28 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

Our founding fathers and in particular Ben Franklin, felt it was the right of every American to speak openly and anonymously, especially if they feared repression for their opinions. Therefore they did not consider it a crime or even rude to remain anonymous. In fact they considered it a right!

If you paid attention in your history classes you might recall The the Federalist Papers where authored and distributed only by the pseudonyms “Publius,” who we know now today were actually James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and John Jay.

Hundreds of 1st amendment cases have also backed our right to anonymous speech.

Freedom is freedom from rules and regulations created by others who wish to control people besides themselves, and without them saying it directly it appears to me that both Stacie and Steward are not interested in open debate, or freedoms, but instead much more interested in getting their way, because they are convinced their way is the right way, and the rest of us are just wrong!

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”___ Ben Franklin, February 1775
PS. I do believe in freedom, so if Stacie and Steward wish to post under their own names…… I won’t stand in their way!

Todd M. Finchler

8:00 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

I, for one, would be a regular contributor to the local dialogue on Patch if the conversation were more civil. When I post a comment, I am guided by some basic regulations: (1) I don't type anything that I would not feel comfortable saying to another person while standing next to them; (2) I never attack the person nor use adjectives or invective to counter a point; (3) to the extent I have a contrary position, I explain why through facts and analysis.

I completely respect the right of others to contribute using their names or using pseudonyms. That said, I have a hard time when someone using a pseudonym levies a personal attack against someone else. It is the verbal equivalent of hiding behind a wall, throwing a stone at someone and then running. I feel badly for those in public service. Even if someone has made a grave error or is completely ill-equipped to be in a position, that person has to subject themselves to anonymous personal attacks against themselves (and family members). Hardly fair - even if the criticism is deserved.

Patch posts many of its articles on Facebook. On the Facebook site, when Patch posts about a police promotion, 100% of the comments are positive because people have to post under their names. On Patch, the comments are decidedly negative and often nasty because of the pseudonym factor.

The great thing about the First Amendment is it permits free speech even without attribution. The downside it is permits a verbal free-for-all.

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Liberty

11:42 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

Todd--your comments, and I would say this if I was standing next to you, are a bit hypocritical. You respect the right of others to use either real names or pseudos. Unless the pseudo levies a personal attack against someone. Do you mean it's then ok for a real-namer to levy an attack? Because there's plenty of real-namers who do levy attacks and make decidedly negative and nasty comments also. Just as an aside--I do not believe that real-namers would say half the negative comments they post about someone, to that person's face. And I absolutely agree with you that the great thing about the First Amendment is it permits free speech--with or without attribution or retribution.

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FourScore

8:20 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Todd, you said; “I have a hard time when someone using a pseudonym levies a personal attack against someone else.”

Is it any better if someone using their real name levies a personal attack against someone else??? It might actually be worse since the recipient can actually put a name and face to the attackers.

As has been mentioned before; a person on this forum who did post under his real name, and did levy many personal attacks against others was banned from this forum after many requests from other members. I don’t think that the recipients of his attacks felt that they were any more acceptable given that he posted under his real name.

The issue is personal attacks, not whether anyone posts anonymously or not.

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Todd M. Finchler

9:26 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

And this is why I rarely post on Patch. I am now hypocritical because someone inferred something into my post which inference is directly contradicted by my own post.

Friends - read point #2 of my initial post. I said - I never attack the person nor use adjectives or invective. I do not think it is acceptable for anyone - named or nameless - to levy a personal attack against anyone - named or nameless. This is a forum for discussion - not a forum for people to attack others. And yes, there are undoubtedly people who use their own names who levy personal attacks on others. If everyone used their real names, and the forum was a hotbed for personal attacks, I'd avoid it just the same.

If every person with a pseudonym made respectful arguments (and never levied personal attacks), we would most likely not be having this discussion in the first instance. The same can be said of those bearing names.

I do have a tough time when those without names hurl stones at those with names. Attack my ideas or opinions with contrary ideas or opinions. I am fine with that. Makes for good dialogue and often forces one to reexamine their own views.

I squarely support our free speech rights. I wrote a paper many years ago about the FCC indecency standard and Howard Stern. I always err on the side of protecting individual liberties over censorship. That said, I will participate in a public dialogue only if it is civil, respectful and based on ideas.

Scott Dean

8:18 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

Todd< some great points,I find it ironic that when mudslinging begins most people slinging dont have the ability to own their opinions,it makes me wonder how some are so inspired and supportive of things that they cant sign their true identities too.

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Gobsmacked

12:29 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

During the recent presidential campaign I had some heated exchanges on Patch, using my real name. A person went to my Facebook page, came back here and cited my child's violin playing as an example of why my politics were worthless. What I'm going to say for the last time, Scott Dean, is that people who use screen names may have myriad other reasons than a cowardly inability to "own their opinions", including a desire to protect their families from the unstable. What I find especially tiresome is the self-congratulatory stance those of you who DO use their actual names take. Good lord, you're not members of the Resistance in WWII, y'know, and so far there's absolutely no law requiring anybody to go commando, name-wise.

BillBalls

8:49 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

Should the radio station ban the nasty DJ, or should you change the station?

I think Howard Stern and Larry Flint are the pits of society and I don’t listen to him or buy Larry’s magazine. BUT, I would stand in harm’s way and lay my life down to protect their rights to be the pits of society. It is called Freedom. Freedom is not something YOU believe in and think you shape and control. It is plain and simple Freedom to believe in what you want! Control and Freedom are mutually exclusive! You cannot have freedom if you desire controls.

Show we ban Walter Cornkite? No! But oh it is okay to put Larry Flint in Jail!!! Did you people pay attention to the sixties? Where you even around in the sixties?

Oh there's a dirty paper using sex to make a sale
The supreme court was so upset, they sent him off to jail.
Maybe we should help the fiend and take away his fine.
But we're busy reading playboy and the Sunday new York times
And i'm sure it wouldn't interest anybody
Outside of a small circle of friends”___ Phil Ochs

You need to really meditate on Franklin’s quote: ““They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Until you actually understand what he said!

Freedom does not occur with government controls.

Maria

10:24 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

I think this topic is a double edged sword. I am pro-pseudonym because sometimes people cannot always express their true feelings and opinions because of their job or role in society and fear of retribution. For example, if a government employee were to come on here posting in opposition of one of their government's rulings, they may fear that their protests will be taken personally and their job would be in jeopardy. One may say well then don't post, but we are all entitled to have an opinion on a subject and a pseudonym provides anonymity and protection.

However, sometimes people think they are smarter than they actually are and attempt to call out a poster by name and in these instances I am against the pseudonym. For instance, I have a friend who was called out by name on a board for postings. However, the individual posting was not my friend and the person who called them out was incorrect as to the identity of the poster, which the poster did identify at the time. My friend has an uncommon name and it got back to he/she and he/she had to go through a whole process of having the posts deleted because they do work in the public sector and were worried about being falsely accused of such comments and opinions and fearing retribution.

stewart resmer

8:39 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Same anon posters with the same excuses for not adding their true and correct legal names while at the same time 'Una's' comment was REMOVED for having revealed 4squares real name? As 4square remained silent on Una;s comment?
How special...

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Drew Wilcow

9:18 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Steward, we’ve been though this on another board, but the fact of the matter is -- You Are a GHOST. There is not one bit of public data indicating you are who you say you are, and you live where you claim to live. You cannot be found by Internet People Searches, or by other available public data such as property ownership as provided by Data Universe. You claim to be Steward Resmer, but according to all public information I checked there is no Steward Resmer existing in Wayne NJ.

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stewart resmer

11:19 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

wilcow you are using a real persons name instead of your own and you have admitted it. you have no standing to make any objections about this subject matter.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3036697/ns/msnbc-hardball_with_chris_matthews/vp/51042835/#51042835

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FourScore

2:55 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Stewart, first of all, the name is FourScore, not 4square. Second, Una (who has admitted on this thread to being Kevin Nedd) did not accuse me of being the person he referenced in a news article he linked yesterday, he accused mrwilson of such. This is most likely in response to mrwilson’s post of 3:36 yesterday afternoon, where he posted a prior discussion of Mr. Nedd’s.

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Madmen

3:14 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Where did Kevin Nedd admit to being "Una"?

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stewart resmer

3:14 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

4square, is a construct of your imagination, in order to assuage some undefined disturbance in your psyche, it is not your true and correct legal name is it?
yet you command respect for the correct spelling of your imaginary friend then?
it is patently illogical for anyone not using their true personna to seek status for a figment of their imagination...you cannot expect to hold some one else accountable when you yourself are not being accountable to begin with, and as it goes you cannot expect to be taken seriously in the discourse of a thoughtful and serious exchange of views.

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12345678

3:30 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Kevin, I have to admit, your persistence is beginning to crack me up.

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Madmen

3:37 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Thinking I'm Kevin is even funnier!

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FourScore

3:40 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

‘Where did Kevin Nedd admit to being "Una"?’

Actually, I take that back. I was referring to Historian WT’s post above where he mentioned Nedd, but I missed the part where Historian presumed Nedd was Una. Una then responded; “Why are you picking on me”?... but that is not an admission that he is Nedd.

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Michelle

3:59 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Drew you wont find Stew on a Wayne NJ tax record because he is a resident of California living with his girlfriend in Wayne. Try a broader search. He can be found and is very vocal. Whether or not you like his opinion he does use he "real" name.

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stewart resmer

4:07 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Michelle I am a registered voter in Wayne NJ, easy enough to verify. A public record, using a true and correct legal name or own a firearm right?

Michael Brancato

9:13 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Look, there are plenty of places on the Internet you can go and have flame wars and controversial conversations in an anonymous forum. Why can't we have one place where people have civilized discourse about local concerns using their real names? Patch had the opportunity to be a town hall on the web, a place where local news was reported and neighbors could get together and discuss it as a community. Where people could post their ideas and frustrations online and local officials might actually see it and do something about it. Instead, we have allowed it to sink to the same level as the rest of the Internet; a cesspool of angry, hate filled comments posted by anonymous users, some of whom post under real sounding names, some of whom use the names of others. The only way to restore some type of legitimacy and decorum around here is to wipe the whole thing clean, delete every user account, and make people sign in with their real names, verified by the moderators using either credit cards or some other form of ID. Until then, you have no idea who you're talking to and you cannot take any post seriously. The trolls and spammers will continue to infest this forum like bedbugs, and there is nothing that can be done about it until we burn the mattress and steam the curtains. People having legitimate discourse will be buried in the muck or simply stay away from the forums altogether, leaving the Patch to be nothing but a group of monkeys throwing their filth at each other.

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Drew Wilcow

9:32 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Oh yea that’s a great idea. Let’s wipe it clean and REQUIRE only real people using their real names post here. That way anti-gun nuts, and ghosts (see post above) like Steward, can discover where gun owners like myself live, and then burglarize my house to steal my guns, because he believes absolutely no “regular” American Citizen should own a gun. Or for all I know he could just as well be a black market gun dealer, looking to make a score!

Even better, maybe when gay marriage is being talked about, the gay haters can find out where a gay couple is living. Or maybe if someone rightfully criticizes their local police they well suddenly discover they can’t drive a block from their house without getting a ticket.

You don’t like the garbage posted here? Ignore it and move on to the next post!

Seriously, does anyone in America use their heads to THINK anymore?

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FourScore

9:50 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

“we have allowed it to sink to the same level as the rest of the Internet; a cesspool of angry, hate filled comments posted by anonymous users, some of whom post under real sounding names, some of whom use the names of others.”

…and some of whom post under their actual names, and are therefore NOT anonymous.

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12345678

10:27 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

This is not a town hall, it is a very public website with viewers from all over the country. And as far as throwing filth goes, it seems to be more prevalent among those using their real names.

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Michael Brancato

2:16 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Yeah, "Drew" that's kind of the point: if you're accountable for your comments, maybe people might stop and think about what they're saying before they post. So maybe getting into a flame war with someone about how many guns you have wouldn't be the best of ideas. Hell of a concept, I know. I'm really glad you figured it out before making that rude comment at the end.

It's a sad commentary about this forum that the best answer anyone can come up with to the rudeness and hate in people's posts is "don't read it." After all, why should intelligent, civil people be part of the conversation. We don't let them talk anywhere else, like on TV or radio or even in newsprint anymore, so why would they want a place on the web where the jerks were told to STFU so the adults could talk. Enjoy throwing your filth at each other.

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stewart resmer

2:42 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Michael please consider the person commenting here as 'Drew Wilcow' is not using their real name but is rather using the name of a real person who is completely unaware of what being attributed to their good name by this poser in order to protect his or her true identity and Patch.com facilitates it?

Joan Callamezzo

10:24 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Remember folks, there is no first amendment right to post invective or anything else on Patch and that is why the site and it's readers would be better served if people were forced to sign in with Facebook.

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12345678

10:29 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Yes, that seems to have worked well for the Daily Record....lots of discussions going on there.

Stacie Bohr

10:45 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Well...my little "ridiculous, naïve, self-serving blog" as referenced above has certainly turned into a fairly hearty debate now hasn't it. I'm glad, actually. And not with any self-serving motivation behind it as I am sure someone will try to "call me out" on. It's interesting to see the dialogue and that is precisely why I wrote it and asked for feedback.

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Liberty

11:07 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Don't want to disappoint you then: patting yourself on the back is self-serving. And this is hardly the first thread where pseudonyms have been debated; it's been done ad nauseum. However someone else will have to take credit for calling it naive--wasn't me.

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12345678

11:20 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

I don't see any debate here.

This thread has brought to light the fact that those who use their real names are more likely to exhibit "middle-school level turrets" behavior than those who choose to post honest opinions using pseudonyms. And I don't see either side changing it's point of view.
For the exact same reason I do not discuss politics or religion in mixed crowds, I choose to use a screen name here period.

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Gobsmacked

12:22 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Aren't you all of that, stacie, and a bag of chips! Not at all smug, insufferable and tone-deaf.

Stacie Bohr

12:34 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

You are 100% correct, Gobsmacked. I was being smug. I still stand behind the fact that I look at pseudonyms in a different light, though. Never said nor do I think I am all that and a bag of chips. If that's what you get out of my blog or comments, that is your problem.

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Gobsmacked

1:03 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Thanks, but it's really not much of a problem. Maybe you can monetize this hearty debate with a column: "Sh*t Stacie Says", or "Ask Stacie 'Crashing' Bohr".

Stacie Bohr

12:43 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

So not patting myself on the back, Liberty. What exactly have I gained here except a better understanding of people's motivation on how they choose to represent themselves? The fact of the matter is that I was told I'm naïve, to get off of my "high horse", this blog is pretty much a waste of time, etc....but there are still over 100 comments on my ignorant blog. That tells me that people have actually thought about it too and wish to share their position. That's all...nothing else. I have gained nothing except insight and a new respect for those who use monikers and why they do. Yay me!

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BillBalls

1:40 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Stacie. You said: “ I have gained nothing except insight and a new respect for those who use monikers and why they do." Does that mean you were ignorant of this subject when you wrote your blog? What would you change if you wrote it now?

Stacie Bohr

1:05 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Okay, Gobsmacked. I will definitely give that some thought. I'm not even sure what it means but will mull it over.

Stacie Bohr

2:01 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

If I had to write again, BillBalls...I probably wouldn't have written it at all if I had the insight that has been provided through this thread. Having a better understanding of why people choose to use monikers vs. my thinking that they are/were hiding under a veil is ignorant and I was being self-righteous in thinking that because I use my "real" name is better. I have owned that fully. Whether I choose to use my real name or not, I will not insult people (which I have done in the past) but one thing that is for damn sure, I will still never not defend myself when being insulted or "accused" of false motivations in my words or when people choose to twist my words into something they were never intended to be. Great question!

mrwilson

2:25 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Stacie, you have shown a lot of character on this thread and I admire you and I think you are a good person and it was informative for a lot of people.

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Stacie Bohr

2:36 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Thank you very much, mrwilson. I know we didn't agree on every point nor do I expect that from anyone. But you too show tremendous character and decency. Very much appreciated.

stewart resmer

3:37 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Sock Puppets are quick easy and fun to make as a Patch alter ego!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOmlkeLuEZg

Dan Grant

4:17 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Stacie, I write an occasional blog for Patch and am a frequent poster. I don't believe there is a good reason not to use your own name. There are excuses but not reasons. Studies have shown that when people assume they can't be identified their behavior becomes worse. Not everyone of course but enough to show human behavior at it's worse.

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vaguy

1:14 pm on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

This coming from Morrissage and denvilpop? Hypocrite alert ^^^^^^^^^

Stacie Bohr

5:17 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Thank you, Dan. While I am glad I wrote the blog...it has been exhausting...truly emotionally exhausting (no pity party folks....just reality so don't jump on me). I believe in honesty and now, I fully understand while people choose monikers in an effort to preserve their privacy and to save themselves from "cyber-stalkers". But in an effort to have a dialogue about it, I was trashed. I'm no better than anyone and never pretended to be. It was an observation that I made and wrote about, but you can't even do that. I'm no victim...I give as good as I get but I am hardly a mean spirited person. These forums make me think the worse of people. And I'm sure someone will let me know that I'm included in the "worse" category.

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12345678

8:54 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

stacie, I think you are a good person with good intentions. I just think you came out swinging rather than honestly questioning why many people prefer to post anonymously.
No harm done. Tomorrow's another day and another topic.

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Diane Campbell

9:31 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Stacie, don't be too hard on yourself. You did something that a lot of people would never do. You read the comments and took a moment to look at other people's perspective. You apologized and even considered that your original thoughts may have changed because of good points that were raised. I respect that. I have always posted under my real name and the people in my community that know me will know that my comments are sincere and not intended to offend. I must say that when I was able to read past the negativity, I learned some things from this thread as well.
I suggest no more apologies, but rather pat yourself on the back! The responses to this blog prove that you picked a very interesting topic to debate. Good for you!

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Dan Grant

11:34 am on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Stacie, I spent 15 years in elected office where you can't hide even if you wanted to. Speaking up is a requirement if you want to accomplish anything. It used to be a rule that anonymous letters and comments went in the trash where they mostly belong. Newspapers wouldn't print them and public officials who got them ignored them. Public Meetings require that a speaker identify themselves. As a politician you expect a certain amount of venom. I myself was the victim of anonymous websites that defamed me but in the politics of the day you have to expect it and approach the issues as you believe they should be approached. So just keep writing, you add value to the public discussion.

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stewart resmer

11:47 am on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Dan, rightly stated and well said.

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vaguy

1:17 pm on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Stacie - Dan is a hypocrite. For over a year, he posted under the ID of Morrissage and denvilpop, then lied about it when confronted and after months and months of denials, finally admitted to it. So, you can trust his word as far as you can throw him. Just a little friendly advice on the type of person you are taking lessons from.

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Dan Grant

2:45 pm on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

LMAO, someone who calls himself vaguy questions a real person.

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vaguy

3:14 pm on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Thank you Morrissage - or is 12345678? Seems to be all the same person as Dan Grant. Caught in another lie Danny. But not telling the truth is something you do well. All one has to do is ask Ron Soussa. LMAO.

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12345678

10:32 pm on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

vaguy, I'm not familiar with Morrissage but I can assure that I have very little in common with Dan Grant.

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vaguy

8:00 am on Thursday, March 28, 2013

Sorry - I don't believe you. Too many similarities - face to face blah blah blah.

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Dan Grant

10:00 am on Thursday, March 28, 2013

12345678, you think you know me but because of your anonymous status I have no idea what we would or would not have in common. vaguy is a internet stalker who really thinks that is his name.

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12345678

10:35 am on Thursday, March 28, 2013

Dan, perfect example as to why I post anonymously:)

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vaguy

12:52 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

I LOVE the responding to yourself thing Dan., Good work. SO are you denying you posted under Morrissage and denvilpop? No stalker here. Just showing everyone your true hypocritical colors.

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Dan Grant

4:40 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

vaguy is a ghood exasmple of why anonymousd posting should be banned on sites like Patch let them stay in the sewers they came from.

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vaguy

5:00 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

I find it funny - and yes hypocritical - for Dan Grant - a Montville resident - to call for banning anonymous post when he did it himself. You posted under Morrissage and denvilpop to protect your brother Bob while he was running for Denville council. You lied when you got caught. But you are a good liar. Ask Ron Soussa. http://www.dmlp.org/threats/soussa-v-grant

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vaguy

5:01 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

Oh and this was done on www.nj.com so it was a little BIGGER than a PATCH site...hypocritesage says what?

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vaguy

7:32 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

No response Dan? Or as usual, when caught in a lie, you lie more or hide. Which is it here?

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Dan Grant

10:57 am on Monday, April 1, 2013

vaguy, you cvan't prove any of what you say but I can certainly prove you are a stalker.

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vaguy

12:38 pm on Monday, April 1, 2013

Oh - Dan. You are denying it again? Now you are a liar if you do. It is well documented on nj.com. Even your "friends" on there concede the fact that you posted under two different names other than your own to protect your brother from your ignorant rants while he was running for Denville council. Caught in yet another lie, Liarsage?

Joseph Keyes

6:44 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Wow... 135+ comments? I'm glad you popped that blister...It gave everyone food for thought...

Michele Guttenberger

9:59 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

I feel standing behind my real name as a Patch Blogger, I have a responsibility to make sure what is in print has been researched thoroughly. Once, I 'm satisfied with my fact finding I add my own personal perspective. I don't think people using a pseudonym have this kind of commitment. There is no skin in the game and no reputation at stake for them. However, piecing together information from various public resources and putting them together in one place can be upsetting to some because it is provocative and not always a flattering picture. I realize this and I am always prepared to show my resources. My recent blogs have challenged others to question how genuine our leadership is in keeping their promises, and their integrity in fulfilling their position to those that voted them into office or are giving them their paycheck. I do feel these people should be accountable to us. Did they make decisions on our behalf or was it self interest or sway from a special interest group? I feel confident presenting this information because I know I have the facts behind my arguments and I am ready for a good debate. But I find that those who use a pseudonym sometimes have comments as fake as there names. They are not looking for an honest debate but a reaction and it is just a game.

Stacie Bohr

3:51 am on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Every single comment, good and bad, is very much appreciated. I do not blog so everyone can agree, I blog because of something I'm curious about, believe in or question. The kindness completely outweighs the negativity in this blog and even those who were angry with my blog showed tremendous kindness once the onion was pealed down or once my myopic layers were pealed down. Thank you!

BillBalls

8:07 am on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

For the Record – I used to post on a financial forum under my real name. I was critical of a stock and its performance and wrote about it being a bad investment. My posts got the attention of another poster who totally disagreed with me and believed that company was the next Microsoft (it wasn’t) . A flaming was started between us

Long story short, she (yes it was a she) stated cyber-stalking not on me but also my family. She wrote e-mails to them telling them what an a$$ I was, she went so far as to write an e-mail to my employer telling them I was stealing from them, and then the coup de grâce, the B-itch sent the university my son was attending a series of e-mails falsely portraying him the head of a cheating ring.

Long story short. It cost me over $10K in legal fees to find out who she was, and stop her defaming actions, and as bad luck would have it, she doesn't have two sticks to rub together, so my chance of a financial recovery from her are nil.

stewart resmer

8:09 am on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Pretending to Be Someone Else Online?
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If so, we want to share your story with the world. Chosen participants will receive a generous stipend. Please include a phone number and preferred email that we may reach you at.

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Jack Q

10:41 am on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Ah, yes. Stew's typical double-standard. You have to prove your identity to post on a message board, but he is an advocate against voter id. I guess knowing people true identity on a message board is more important that at the voting booth.

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stewart resmer

11:29 am on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

ah yes some jack-o's typical morning ad hominem rant, just another anon poster with a bad disposition, nothing more

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FourScore

12:10 pm on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Stewart, you've proven through this post and your sock puppet video that requiring a poster to use his real name will not stop cheap insults and juvenile behavior.

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stewart resmer

12:48 pm on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

4sqr you type/sock & puppet simultaneous? how special

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BillBalls

5:37 pm on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Jack Q -- Outstanding Post. You've got to love it!

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BillBalls

5:43 pm on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Steward, Jack Q just b-slapped your behind. You demand proof positive to be who you say you are to post here, yet think anyone who breaths can vote, simply because they have a pulse!

Now what Steward? Will you write letters to the editors of the Patch and demand Jack Q’s posts and his ID be deleted, because Jack, just like Drew and John, made a total fool out of you, with nothing but your own words?

stewart resmer

7:17 am on Thursday, March 28, 2013

BB? mixing apples/oranges @ your cyber fruit stand again I see?
'Internet chats in real-time “is a huge priority for the FBI” that, although in the works, was halted by last year’s presidential election. Now with the 2012 race out of the picture — and the country’s most transparent president ever elected for another round — the FBI aims to iron out a deal that will let Internet companies like Google tap into their data to watch what’s happening on the Web in instances where waiting five minutes just won’t do. Weissman even hinted at being able to intercept messages sent over entirely different sites'.By the years’ end, the attorney says the FBI hopes to be able to snoop on conversations that occur over the Web by gaining access to up-to-the-second feeds
http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/fbi-to-monitor-online-chats-in-real-time-by-2014/
Game On Sock Puppets.

jingle jones

10:44 am on Thursday, March 28, 2013

Oh grow up, Stacie. If you don't like it, don't participate.

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Jack Q

11:20 am on Thursday, March 28, 2013

Gee, Stew, same sentence structure? Now your an English professor along with being a limo driver and SAG member? Do your talents have no end? By the way, I only write as Jack Q.

I guess sock puppet is the word of the day @ MSNBC.

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Stacie Bohr

11:50 am on Thursday, March 28, 2013

Thank you for your input, Jingle. I will most certainly continue to participate. Have a good weekend.

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Jack Q

2:21 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

Stew, what in all that is holy are you talking about? I think you are the one with multiple personalities. Must be from your California days. Why don't you just tighten the aluminum foil helmet you wear and go back to bed. G'nite Stew.

Stacie Bohr

3:26 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

I'm ready to be slammed on the head but I can handle it....how do you guys know if someone changes their moniker to a new moniker? I understand people may write in a certain way but how do you know for sure? Just curious.

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jingle jones

4:08 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

Stacie, that is a good question. I'd say that Stewart, at least, cannot tell. I'm on a number forums and some moderators are good at spotting sock puppet accounts while others (including myself) are not so talented.

Some moderators have access to IP addresses which can help.

Hope you have a good weekend as well.

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Drew Wilcow

4:13 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

Stacie, take a test. Google your name and discover what you can find out about yourself. I don’t want to flip you out, but just to make my point I know you paid slightly under 10K in property taxes, and you bought your house in Dec of 2003, and a bunch more public information to.

Now Google Steward Resmer, and you won’t find a damn thing other then things he puts up. NO phone number, no address, no tax information no public information from a government source, just nothing other than what he puts there.
Now ask yourself, does Steward Resmer post under his real name or is it a moniker?

Every time any gun issues comes up Steward is always right there posting his anti-gun opinions (which he certainly has a right to) and demanding all the pro-gun people post under their real names like he does. Why? Well maybe so he knows where the gun owners live, and then he can rob them when they are at work. Just saying you know?

Stacie Bohr

4:41 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

Holy crap. Scary...but good to know. Thank you, Drew. I will forever be known as Sasha Fierce from this point forward! I always wanted a more exotic name anyway! And it really kind of stinks that you can't be you without being scared. But really, thank you, Drew! Lots of things will change In my "public" world. That has truly been enlightening.

Lt.Dan

6:34 pm on Thursday, March 28, 2013

Interesting to hear how this went....

Plainfield Trustee Wants Names of 'Anonymous Cyberbullies'
Garrett Peck filed a petition for discovery seeking the account information and IP addresses for Plainfield Patch users, saying they hurt his election prospects.

http://plainfield.patch.com/articles/plainfield-trustee-wants-names-of-internet-commentersgarrettpecktimronjidzny

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